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In the heartfelt conclusion to our three-part conversation, Caren Khoo, Vice President and Deputy General Counsel at Verizon, opens up about the foundational supports behind her success, including her family, her network, and her faith. Caren reflects on the importance of freedom, humility, and asking for help, sharing valuable lessons learned from a career filled with unexpected twists and personal growth.

We explore what it means to build a meaningful professional life while staying grounded, supported, and open to change. This episode is full of wisdom for young lawyers, working parents, and anyone navigating career and life transitions. As we wrap Season 1 of The Real Lawyer Podcast, we’re deeply grateful to Caren and all of our guests for sharing their real stories.

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In this episode, Verizon VP & Deputy General Counsel Caren Khoo shares her 17-year journey from patent litigator to corporate legal leader. She reveals how transitioning from BigLaw to in-house counsel transformed her career – from the surprising similarities in litigation work to the liberating shift away from billable hours. Caren discusses her evolution through multiple Verizon divisions, now leading a 40-person legal team supporting business operations, product development, and AI governance. With refreshing honesty, she reflects on how managing vaccine production lines at 22 unexpectedly prepared her for legal leadership, and why she’s found her true passion in building high-performing legal teams.

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In this episode, Caren Khoo, VP & Deputy General Counsel at Verizon, discusses her path from industrial engineering to corporate legal leadership. She shares insights about transitioning from IP litigation at firms like WilmerHale to her current in-house role overseeing AI governance and leading a 40-person legal team. Caren reflects on how diverse professional experiences, including early management roles, shaped her approach to legal strategy and team leadership.

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Episode Summary – Part 3: A Day in the Life of a Law School Dean

In this final episode, Dean Josh Fershee pulls back the curtain on his daily life leading Creighton University School of Law. He shares his disciplined morning routine (a 14-year running habit), his open-door policy for students, and how he balances administrative duties with teaching environmental law. Josh discusses innovative initiatives like expanding clinical programs and his pragmatic approach to AI in legal education—using it as a teaching tool while emphasizing verification. He offers sage advice for aspiring lawyers: focus on learning over grades, avoid “golden handcuffs,” and stay open to unexpected career paths. The conversation closes with Josh’s heartfelt reflections on finding fulfillment beyond financial success.

Stay tuned for more inspiring conversations with legal leaders on The Real Lawyer Podcast!

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Episode Summary – Part 2: Building a Supportive Legal Education Environment

In this episode, the conversation continues with Josh Fershee, Dean of Creighton Law School, who reflects on his journey from West Virginia to Omaha. He shares his experiences balancing family life with a demanding academic career, including the challenges of moving during his children’s school years. He discusses his leadership approach at Creighton, emphasizing the importance of creating a supportive environment for students and faculty, such as offering daycare solutions during snow days. Josh also opens up about the unexpected challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic and the societal impact of George Floyd’s murder, and how he navigated these issues by staying true to his values. His story highlights the importance of authenticity, leadership, and fostering a community where everyone can thrive.

Stay tuned for Part 3, where Josh discusses the future of legal education and his vision for law schools in a post-pandemic world.